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Redbaron
post Jan 31 2012, 09:28 AM
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I am thinking seriously about a new engine on the boat.

I currently have the 60HP Merc with the BigFoot . It runs great, has good speed, very dependable.....but needs more water to jump up on plane.

So I am thinking of a new, lighter engine with more power and a smaller lower unit.

Pretty sure I want a 2 stroke......considering Merc, Evinrude and Yamaha.

What you think?
 
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phlatsphil
post Jan 31 2012, 10:25 AM
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I believe Tohatsu is the only company making a mid-range engine with a 15" lower unit. Your transom is probably already setup for the 20" transoms of Merc and Yamaha. If you go with a shorter (smaller) lower unit you may have to add a jack plate.

When I first got the Tohatsu people asked "how u like that Tohatsu?", and my response was usually "I just got it, the verdict is still out".

I had a 2-cycle Merc 60 on my first new boat in '91, 4 years, no problems, never went to the shop.

Next boat, 2-cycle Yamaha 90, 6 years, no problems, never went to the shop

Next, 2-cycle Yamaha 50, 1 year, no problems

Next, 2-cycle Yamaha 70, 3 years, no problems until the engine overheated during test ride to sell dry.gif , after water pump change, Marine Specialties in NSB had to remove the head and clean out some kind of slime from the water ports. Wierd, especially since flushing my engine is a religion to me.

Next, 2-cycle Tohatsu 50, 4 1/2 years so far, been in the shop several times with that vapor lock issue, ended up with ancillary fuel pump over the fuel tank, no other problems (with the engine) to report.

So, the verdict is, I think Tohatsu is pretty good. I would consider buying another if I were in the market today.

 
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Redbaron
post Jan 31 2012, 12:13 PM
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I have a jack plate.

Anyone done a comparison of weight between the differnt makes? The different HPs engines? Cost?
 
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post Jan 31 2012, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (Redbaron @ Jan 31 2012, 01:13 PM) *
I have a jack plate.

Anyone done a comparison of weight between the differnt makes? The different HPs engines? Cost?



Tohatsu 50 2-stroke, 206 lbs, $5k

Yamaha 50 4-stroke, 249 lbs, $6K+

Mercury 50 4-stroke, 247 lbs, $5K-$6K

Call Tom Gordon, maybe he can get you one without a 50% margin.
 
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post Feb 1 2012, 06:23 AM
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Yamaha F70 new model lots power 260#


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post Feb 1 2012, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE (futch13 @ Feb 1 2012, 08:23 AM) *
Yamaha F70 new model lots power 260#


Listen to the man who turns wrenches for a living!

Also, that motor's going on my Phantom. Big difference in power on independent performance testing between 2010 and 2012 Yamaha 4-stroke 70.


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Josh
post Feb 25 2012, 07:26 PM
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I've got a 50hp two stroke Nissan sitting in my dads garage. 151lbs banger.gif


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post Feb 27 2012, 03:35 PM
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Yamaha and end of discussion, Loye will get you set up!
 
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post Mar 4 2012, 04:51 AM
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I would consider the Nissan Josh has wish I would have known about it angry.gif .......I have seen problems with all of them. The tohatsu is the best however it weigh's 213 lbs it is still lighter than the rest available in that range. It is quieter than most as well and the reason you dont hear about them much is they are bullet proof and are not in the shop. While mine has less than 20 hrs on it I have yet to experience the so called vapor problem that supposedly comes from the engine being tilted up for prolonged periods of time I guess while poling? Considering I pole for an average of 4 hrs which I am sure is more than the average user here I have no complaint other than the weight. In your case with a jack plate and other toys weight is definitely not a huge factor on your setup. You are more than welcomed to come over and see test mine if you like. FWIW I just repowered and I bought the tohatsu 7 years and 3k hrs was enough for me.


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post Mar 4 2012, 05:12 AM
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I know where a Yamaha 90 2 stroke is for sale, they are asking 5250 for it which is average book. Motor is clean and I have serviced it since it was new. Just put an F70 on the boat.


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post Mar 5 2012, 12:10 PM
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Here is my current situation:

I have the 2002 Merc 60 Bigfoot on the Hells Bay.
The control box shorted out back when I posted this thread, so I was in need of a new control box. Since I have been contemplating a repower to a 90, I had to think about what control box to buy. Well, since I am not in a hurry to spend the money, was not sure which motor I would want if I did change, nor do I want the boat to be grounded.....I had to bite the bullet and buy a new control box for the merc. So, I am going to be getting a new merc if/when I repower.

It seems BPS has the best prices on the Optimax 90. I hear their service is pretty decent as well.

So what to do with the Bigfoot60? It still runs extremely well. It seems I could get a pontoon boat owner to buy it pretty easily. Any ideas on where to get a book value on such an engine? Where is best place to list it?
 
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post Mar 5 2012, 01:40 PM
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QUOTE (Redbaron @ Mar 5 2012, 01:10 PM) *
Any ideas on where to get a book value on such an engine? Where is best place to list it?



nada.com

 
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post Mar 5 2012, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (phlatsphil @ Mar 5 2012, 02:40 PM) *
nada.com


Thank you
 
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Redbaron
post Mar 22 2012, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE (zamog @ Mar 21 2012, 04:19 PM) *
wouldn't get rb's boat on plane

thanks josh


Would .....but probably have a struggle in hole shot
 
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post Apr 28 2012, 06:35 PM
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Although I have a bass boat, I repowered it in 2010, I took off a 98 Merc 75 and replaced it with a 2010 Optimax 75 hp. The Opti runs great, sips gas and seems like it weighs a lot more than the 98 motor. I have yet to see one on a flats boat and I can see why...


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post Apr 29 2012, 06:05 AM
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QUOTE (Redbaron @ Mar 5 2012, 02:10 PM) *
So what to do with the Bigfoot60? It still runs extremely well. It seems I could get a pontoon boat owner to buy it pretty easily. Any ideas on where to get a book value on such an engine? Where is best place to list it?

Buy a small pontoon boat and keep it yourself . Great for having fun with the wife and kids and......you can never have too many boats !! wink.gif


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post Apr 30 2012, 07:48 AM
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You could save 130 lbs and just get a 4 stroke Merc 60. It would be slower, but I doubt is would be that much.
 
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post Apr 30 2012, 12:33 PM
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QUOTE (Redbaron @ Mar 5 2012, 02:10 PM) *
So what to do with the Bigfoot60? It still runs extremely well. It seems I could get a pontoon boat owner to buy it pretty easily. Any ideas on where to get a book value on such an engine? Where is best place to list it?



hang it on the back of a gaynooo and give it to your kids.

Go to NADA.com for boat/engine/trailer values.
 
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post May 16 2012, 12:46 PM
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I know a lot of people don't like Mike Marshall as much as I do, but we've been lifelong friends. He owned Southside Outboard for those that don't know. About 6 years ago he got my boss TWO 50hp Tohatsu's short shank tillers for 2k each. It would have been $500 more for one because they did free shipping for multi orders. They sold the 50hp tillers cheap because they use them for a racing class, but ya need to know someone that deals with them and is your buddy.lol I converted one to remote and it's on a 14' skiff in the Keys. It was $150 for the correct remote so,,, back is fast and forward is stop.lol It will get 4 big guys on plane in 2'. huh.gif
If you know Mike he told me last time I saw him he can still get motors.
 
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phlatsphil
post May 17 2012, 06:42 AM
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After owning Yamaha motors for many years I finally got the chance to meet a Yamaha mechanic to have water pump installed before selling the Mitzi skiff. I have a Tohatsu on my Gordon, and everyone at Hailey's knows me by my first name. That's all I got say about Tohatsu motors.
 
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